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Reasons for Attenuation increase during temperature cycling test?

Quote from Lazarus Macin on May 5, 2022, 1:27 AM

We made some central tube fiber cables. It is 12 fibers in one tube. Tube diameter is 2.8 mm outer and 1.8 mm inner. When we conducted temperature cycling test, loss increase is more than 0.2 dB at -30 degree C. We want to bring the loss increase down to less than 0.1 dB. Any suggestions?


We made some central tube fiber cables. It is 12 fibers in one tube. Tube diameter is 2.8 mm outer and 1.8 mm inner. When we conducted temperature cycling test, loss increase is more than 0.2 dB at -30 degree C. We want to bring the loss increase down to less than 0.1 dB. Any suggestions?

Quote from Prakash on May 5, 2022, 1:28 AM

Give me more details such as the drum barrel diameter and cable outer diameter


Give me more details such as the drum barrel diameter and cable outer diameter

Quote from Lazarus Macin on May 5, 2022, 1:29 AM

Thanks for your attention.

Drum barrel diameter = 400 mm and Cable outer diameter = 7 mm.

We gave a thickness of 2 mm HDPE.


Thanks for your attention.

Drum barrel diameter = 400 mm and Cable outer diameter = 7 mm.

We gave a thickness of 2 mm HDPE.

Quote from James on May 5, 2022, 1:29 AM

Is it for catv?

From your explanation of cable diameter, seems the cable is for catv.


Is it for catv?

From your explanation of cable diameter, seems the cable is for catv.

Quote from Lazarus Macin on May 5, 2022, 1:30 AM

Yes sir. We made this cable for catv.


Yes sir. We made this cable for catv.

Quote from James on May 5, 2022, 1:30 AM

If for catv, you don’t need to worry about loss to a certain limit. Catv customers can accept high attenuation in fiber optic cables. In fact, they use attenuators to increase attenuation even if you offer low attenuation cables. What it the maximum attenuation in dB/km?


If for catv, you don’t need to worry about loss to a certain limit. Catv customers can accept high attenuation in fiber optic cables. In fact, they use attenuators to increase attenuation even if you offer low attenuation cables. What it the maximum attenuation in dB/km?

Quote from Guest on May 5, 2022, 1:32 AM

this main problem is loose tube shrinkage issue….

pls use any Shrinkage arresting techniques

one method  is preconditioning – product hold on 80deg temp. oven 3hrs…..


this main problem is loose tube shrinkage issue….

pls use any Shrinkage arresting techniques

one method  is preconditioning – product hold on 80deg temp. oven 3hrs…..

Quote from Lazarus Macin on May 5, 2022, 1:32 AM

Thanks.

The cable is at the design stage. We are not in full production. I want to correct process parameters to produce good cables. Catv customers may accept high attenuation case by case, but may not always.


Thanks.

The cable is at the design stage. We are not in full production. I want to correct process parameters to produce good cables. Catv customers may accept high attenuation case by case, but may not always.

Quote from Fiber on May 5, 2022, 1:33 AM

I think, what the guest member mentioned is a valid point to solve the issue. It seems to be a post-shrinkage problem of tube material. If you can control the post shrinkage, you can control excess fiber length. Excess fiber length in tubes, especially central tube cables creates attenuation increase. If the post shrinkage is not controlled during production, it will create shrinkage of tube after tubing and lead to more excess fiber length.

If EFL or excess fiber length is more, then attenuation will go up in minus temperature, when the cable shrinks. The reason is simple; when the cable shrinks in minus temperature, the shrinkage exerts pressure on fibers and they try to adjust inside the tube. In fact, the fibers bend in more than that it is allowed to bend. Due to excess fibers inside the tube, the fibers follow a waveform. If they are further stressed due to shrinkage, macrobending loss will happen.

How to solve? Control the post-shrinkage. Measure the post shrinkage of your tube. Adjust excess fiber length accordingly. One typical excess fiber length in percentage set for central tube cables is around 0.2%.


I think, what the guest member mentioned is a valid point to solve the issue. It seems to be a post-shrinkage problem of tube material. If you can control the post shrinkage, you can control excess fiber length. Excess fiber length in tubes, especially central tube cables creates attenuation increase. If the post shrinkage is not controlled during production, it will create shrinkage of tube after tubing and lead to more excess fiber length.

If EFL or excess fiber length is more, then attenuation will go up in minus temperature, when the cable shrinks. The reason is simple; when the cable shrinks in minus temperature, the shrinkage exerts pressure on fibers and they try to adjust inside the tube. In fact, the fibers bend in more than that it is allowed to bend. Due to excess fibers inside the tube, the fibers follow a waveform. If they are further stressed due to shrinkage, macrobending loss will happen.

How to solve? Control the post-shrinkage. Measure the post shrinkage of your tube. Adjust excess fiber length accordingly. One typical excess fiber length in percentage set for central tube cables is around 0.2%.

Quote from Lazarus Macin on May 5, 2022, 1:34 AM

Thank you all for great suggestions. We will make trials and update.


Thank you all for great suggestions. We will make trials and update.

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